Wednesday, October 15, 2008

The Arrivals pt 40 (The Common Ground)

14 comments:

Anonymous said...

After Seaing this Episode i Have a Great respect for noreagaa, there should not be different sects of islam, in the end This will count for nothing, the only thing that will count is your beleifs at heart. Not what sect of islam you are part of. we all have a common enemy, and that enemy needs to be stopped, and in order t o stop this enemy unity is neccessary. SO UNITE!!

Qute said...

As Sallam Alakuim . .. Greetings...
I have been watching these series of documentaries after a continues search of truth of this life and huge persuasions from my cousin ... It has been a great pleasure so far and I cannot stop talking about it to all my friends internationally. I am born as muslim. i was always at conflict bcuz i was raised that our aim in life is the 3baada '' il ta3abud''.. and that made me drift away from religion because i cannot sit in one place i like to search and create my own peace of mind, which is not easy. The Arrivals have taught me a lot about the miracles of a thinking mind and how that can reach to our main aim of our living '' Al Tafakur'' . I had to stop a moment and write down a comment. because this episode have really touched me, i have seen Moez speach before but you have put it together nicely. our religion is not oppression but as you said its what we are is from inside out that makes us believe '' la ilah illa Allah '' .. Our religion meaning all of the humanities believes of all times and places have together in common. IT is for the good of people and not to the wrong direction. I truly appreciate and support your project and if there is any way i can be involved in the spreading of the arrivals. i am by all means. and it will not stop inshalla... even if some episodes are blocked, the message is there... and good luck continuing this project.. With all my respect

Anonymous said...

After seeing these few episodes,i think there is some good in it, but also some error. Firstly, Ahl us Sunnah wal Jama'ah believe that the so called "imams" were of the lineage of the Prophet, Ali, Al Huassan wal Husayn were sahaabah and we know the respect they deserve, some of the remaining were reliable scholars, and the rest held positions of respect but did not necessarily hold any specific knowledge that wasnt readily available to the layman, so they werent considered scholars. As for the last one who the yshi'a claim to be in a tunnel of samarra, there is no evidence of him even existing. As for Al Mahdi he will emerge from the lineage of the Prophet no doubt.

With regards to sects, this is somethign that was prophesized by the Messenger when he said, the jews split into 71, the christians split into 72, and the muslims will split into 73, all of which are i nthe hellfire except one: the one who follows my sunnah andthe example of the companions and the tabi'een. So while its true that the sects are a fitnah, it is impossible for us to unite, since some of the shi'a claim Abu bakr, Umar, and many others except 7 are kuffaar, whe nAllaah mentions their status in the Qur`an. Also, some go as far as to claim A'isha was a prostitute. Even the clip you showed of Nasrullah, he is a "twelver" or Ithna 'Ash'ari. These peopel claim divinity and infallability to their "imams" And even go as far as to say that if you dont believe this and if you dont believe that hte Qur`an was altered, you are a kaafir.

So we do not hate those who peopel labeled as imams, in fact we know that those peopel are innocent from what is claimed to them.

However, undoubtedly, the kuffaar use this split to get their foot in the door and plant attacks then blame the other sect, such as in Iraq.

Anonymous said...

Although we are to be tolerant of different sects in Islam. We are not to be tolerant of people trying to corrupt Islam.

If there is a group that is trying to attribute something incorrect to Islam are we to be tolerant of it as you state in this video or are we to use our free thinking minds and try to escape it like you have been telling us in every other videos?

Please follow this link to shed some light on the position of the 12 Imams you previously mentioned.
http://www.islam-qa.com/en/ref/101272/12%20imams

a muslim said...

greetings to maker of this series,
i have been veiwing this series and i've reached to episode 40.
what i would like to give 5 comments:
1. a great effort, which i thank you for
2.some errors where made, especially in episode 39. the information you had based this episode upon are not correct in full, especially the murder of imam alhussain.
3. sects have emerged after the death of the prophet muhammed (peace be upon him), while he has foretold that this would happen. its "fittna" as we all know, but only one sect is the survivor! who do you think is this sect?
the one which truly belives in allah as the one and only GOD, and belives prophet mohammed(peace be upon him) is his massenger, when i say truly belives not in words, but in practice!
4. episode 40. you have said that no difference between the sects. and we are all muslims, i agree we should not label our selves by man made labels, BUT if u looked closely (as u said u did) in the different sects, you will see PRACTICES which defies and are against the one and the farmost important reason why we are created, IS TO WORSHIP ONE GOD the all mighty "allah",قال تعالى: { وما خلقت الجن والإنس إلا ليعبدون }(الذاريات:56)
in arabic its called "at'tawheed". the 5 pillars of islam are ACTS, not only words, any sect. can claim to belive in them, but who practice them in FULL!. for example shiites, sofies have practices which clearly defies the first pillar of islam which is to worship one GOD "allah" almighty, if one pillar is gone then the whole structure will fall!!.

my dear brother its only ONE sect. whom are the survivors, choose wisely.

5. finally, remember this verse

103 قُلْ هَلْ نُنَبِّئُكُم بِالْأَخْسَرِينَ أَعْمَالًا

104 الَّذِينَ ضَلَّ سَعْيُهُمْ فِي الْحَيَاةِ الدُّنْيَا وَهُمْ يَحْسَبُونَ أَنَّهُمْ يُحْسِنُونَ صُنْعًا

105 أُولَـٰئِكَ الَّذِينَ كَفَرُوا بِآيَاتِ رَبِّهِمْ وَلِقَائِهِ فَحَبِطَتْ أَعْمَالُهُمْ فَلَا نُقِيمُ لَهُمْ يَوْمَ الْقِيَامَةِ وَزْنًا

106 ذَ‌ٰلِكَ جَزَاؤُهُمْ جَهَنَّمُ بِمَا كَفَرُوا وَاتَّخَذُوا آيَاتِي وَرُسُلِي هُزُوًا
سورة الكهف

english:
103 Say: Shall We inform you who will be the greatest losers by their works?
104 Those whose effort goeth astray in the life of the world, and yet they reckon that they do good work.
105 Those are they who disbelieve in the revelations of their Lord and in the meeting with Him. Therefor their works are vain, and on the Day of Resurrection We assign no weight to them.
106 That is their reward: hell, because they disbelieved, and made a jest of Our revelations and Our messengers.
Al-Kahf

to whom do you think those verses were ment for? for people who think they are muslims, but their ACTS made them lose their path.

may god enlighten your path..
assalam allaikom

Anonymous said...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AbsIKlz4p8U

Anonymous said...

Al-imam Syafie said 'i never know any of muslims as liar to Islam except shiite'...

There are several reasons that make Ahl us Sunnah wal Jama'ah cannot unite with shiite.

1. The 12 imams in Shiite (as being claimed by their ulama'), they knew what was happened, what is happening and what will happen (is this the same as Allah?!). They were borned with knowing everything (?!). They know when they will die. Besides, they won't die unless they know who is going to be the next imam. From them, everything was created.

2. Shiite claims that Muhammad died because he was actually killed by Abu Bakr,Umar and A'isha. If you know shiite well, they hate these three Sahaba like hell.

3. Shiite do not trust Quran owned by Ahl us Sunnah wal Jama'ah. Why? They believe Quran nowadays had being manipulated (its contents) by Abu Bakr and Umar. They believe the original Quran has 17000+ verses (6000+ verses in Quran nowadays). They do not (never will) believe in Mashaf Uthmani (owned by Ahl us Sunnah wal Jama'ah).

4. Mahdi's coming believe by them is not the same with what we know about it. Mahdi in shiite will come not for the purpose for all muslims, just for the sake of shiite. According to Shiite, Mahdi will bring the true Quran (17000+ verses), bring along Zulfiqar (Ali's sword), destroy the Kaaba, resecut Abu Bakr, Umar and A'isha and hung them at Kaaba to torture these Sahaba and kill whoever do not believe in all 12 imams (even muslims?!)

5. Above all that, they believe Allah has Baqa'. What is Baqa'? Baqa' means know about something after experience it. For example, u'll never know what is fever unless you got a fever. Got it?

That's what i know about Shiite. So, how can we stand up and said ,"we (Ahl us Sunnah wal Jama'ah and shiite) have to unite for the sake of Islam"?

p/s: if you do some research, you will find that there a lot of commons between shiite and jews. Why? Because shiite is built from the mixing of Islam, Jew and other religion with Jew has biggest part. Do your own research and also find who is Ibn Saba' (Abdullah bin Saba')!

Anonymous said...

it's not baqa'...but bada'

bilal said...

to "a muslim":

what are you on man? NONE of the things u mentioned about shiism is right. Now if ur a liar then how can u expect others who dont know about shiims to believe you?

guys, if u want to know about shiism, go to shia sources, not ignorant ppl like "a muslim". a good place to start is al-islam.org and shiachat.com. The latter has really good discussions about some key differences within shia/sunni.

bilal said...

oh and im a shia too, so if u want, u can ask me...ill be happy to answer any of ur q's...

and believe me, shiism is a good religion, a lot of it is misunderstood because of a lack of understanding or knowledge, but once any ones puts the time in, they really come to appreciate shiism, its a beautiful beautiful school of thought alham

KimDonesia said...

"and believe me, shiism is a good religion"

So the Shi'ite finally admits that he is following a totally separate religion.

Mohammad said...

well u say theres no diff between sunni and shii ,, but in the fact theres big big diff between them yes they both pray 5 times in day but the shii pray after sunni the most important thing for them to be diff sunni, shii dont bleive in abu baker, ommar , and otman!!! do u know what they talk about (3ashyaa radya alalho 3anaha)??? did u see they that the shii pary?? did u hear thier athan??
i hope u go to karbala and see what they exactly do and what thiers IMAMS say and do .. i wish i can hear from u soon

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